I recently (like, a few hours ago) wrote a response to some of the vitriolic reactions to Shame I’ve seen about the web, defending the film, and within minutes had my defense reacted to thusly. Wronglikeright quotes my final paragraph, which is in fact different from what is in my review because within minutes of posting it I revised it to make it clearer—to give you a sense of how incensed this film and its admirers seem to be making people. It’s not a brilliant conclusion (it’s pretty fucking late, after all, and my writing chops aren’t at their finest), but I don’t think it deserves the hacking or misinterpretation it received And then my defense of Shame is discussed at length with various little mispresentations of my arguments. Because it’s late and I’m tired, I’ve taken the bait and written a response. There are SPOILERS in these woods so avoid at all costs if you haven’t seen the film or if you have free time and want to save yourself…
wronglikeright:
cinemadiscipula:
In the end, what convinces me most that Shame is an exceptional film is that its greatness seems more likely, doesn’t it? Who’s more convincing: a minority of critics who viscerally despise the film for what they claim it is trying to do, or a majority of critics who admire the film for the actual experience it created for them. Did I become engrossed in this film where so many others fail because I am weak prey for pretension and melodrama, even though I make a point of noticing these weaknesses in films? Or were the critics who railed against the film closing their eyes to an uncomfortable subject and exceptionally courageous risks? Which is more likely?
What a trite, condescending argument that says absolutely nothing about the movie. You realize that your final paragraph essentially boils down to, “more people liked it than didn’t like it, so clearly all the graphic sex must have turned some narrow-minded people off”?
No, I don’t think the paragraph does boil down to that. I wasn’t saying that it’s more likely that Shame is great solely because a majority of critics have given it great praise, although, with all due respect, that’s probably a sign of something. What I was also saying is that the few critics who deride the film do so on the basis of what they claim McQueen was trying to do, while most of the critics who praise the film base their admiration on their unfiltered experience of the film. A critic doesn’t have a good reason to fake a moving experience. But it does seem more likely—I really think it does—that a critic would take a viscerally unpleasant or off-putting experience and misread that as some supernatural insight into the intentions of the director, against all logic. McQueen has made very clear in his interviews that he doesn’t look down on Brandon, that he considers sex addiction to be a serious illness that should be treated with empathy rather than scorn, but critics insist on claiming he’s building a morality tale about debauchery because it’s a convenient way to dismiss the risks the film takes.
“Its greatness seems more likely?” That’s how we’re judging films these days? I can hear Pauline Kael spinning so hard she’s creating a tornado.
If Kael is your standard for film criticism, we’ve got bigger problems.
Do you really think Shame made me feel “uncomfortable” to the point where I’d need to “close my eyes?” I wish! Uncomfortable would have been a start! It would have been something at least. And what is the “actual experience’ Shame created for the critics that liked it? Did my negative experience not “actually” happen? Oh right, it didn’t, because I was “closing my eyes” while watching it. Please.
When I said critics closed their eyes to the film, it seemed pretty clear I was speaking metaphorically. Shame clearly made you feel uncomfortable. I don’t believe that’s because of the explicit sex; that’s not what I intended to imply by invoking the film’s “uncomfortable subject matter,” which is addiction and not sex. If anything, Shame may have made you feel uncomfortable simply because, as you said, you didn’t get anything out of it. But if Shame really just made you feel nothing, if you were clamoring for any sort of reaction, then why go so nuts in attacking the film? Why not just admit that it wasn’t for you and leave it at that? But critics aren’t leaving it at that. Instead, they’re making broad judgment calls about so-called “art films,” about McQueen’s intentions, and about what should or shouldn’t be taken seriously. So the film meant nothing to you. But from where then do you feel you should insist that Shame can’t possibly have real meaning for someone else? Why not just admit that a film that impacts one person doesn’t impact another? When I say you’re closing your eyes, I mean that you’re taking your lackluster response to the very first viewing of a difficult film as the cue not only to smash the film and call it false, but claim to know the thought process of the artists involved and the false admiration of the people who enjoyed the film.
Since you praise the movie for its courageous risks, might I ask you what they are? What is exactly so risky about anything in Shame? The performances? The story? The subject matter? You realize that sex addiction has been covered in other films, some of them far more engrossing than Shame on every level, and with far more insight, thoughtfulness and maturity.
Name those films; I’d like to see them. And to reduce Shame to “that film about sex addiction” is insulting. To answer your questions: yes, Shame is risky because of the performances: the actors clearly gave everything they had in this film, and it’s not just because of the nudity or the sex scenes. Fassbender, Mulligan, and everyone in the film repeatedly put themselves in emotionally painful, vulnerable, and compromising places to give the audience a shred of truth and that kind of dedication deserves commendation. Absolutely. I don’t think I could do that. I leave up to you to decide whether you could. The subject matter? Yes! Absolutely! Frankly, I don’t know what films you’re watching. I’ve seen a lot of movies about people who enjoy meaningless sex, but this is the first film I’ve seen about sex as an addiction, and McQueen’s willingness to show everything, to take an NC-17 rating when most films cut to the fucking blowing curtains in the window just to get a teen audience, is absolutely to be admired. And why do you mention insight, thoughtfulness, and maturity when it’s so clear you didn’t even spend ten minutes giving your opinion of the film another shot. Have you tried to watch it again? Just tried? I’m begging you now, as a fan of film, just in the hope you might catch some of the beauty I saw in the film, that you’ll try to watch it again.
You praise the movie for its ambiguity, but I ask you, at one point does ambiguity stop serving the story and just become something of a lazy way out? I don’t need all the answers explained to me, but I’d like to know something about the characters.
No, I didn’t praise the movie for that. I said that ambiguity isn’t necessarily grounds for condemnation. Employing ambiguity in a film isn’t something to just automatically praise either, and yes, it can be lazy, but I don’t see how that applies here. What sort of risk did McQueen avoid by not making the characters’ pasts explicit? Critics who mentioned the ambiguity simply said the film was ambiguous and seemed annoyed by that very fact, which annoyed me in turn.
What do we know about Brandon? One, he’s a sex addict living in New York. Two, he has a job (although we don’t even know what it entails) that allows him to leave whenever he wants and show up late. Three, he has a sister and they shared a troubling upbringing. That’s it. I don’t need to know the exact relationship Brandon and Sissy share, but I’d like to know enough to try and figure something out or make a hypothesis. You dare compare this movie with Jazz? Good Jazz music fills in entire landscapes with beautiful arrangement’s that stretch listeners imagination all over the place, in every conceivable direction. Shame is a single note played over and over again, never daring to even strike a chord.
And which note is that? You’ve stretched musical metaphor to the breaking point, I’m afraid, so that I don’t quite know how to respond. By notes do you mean themes then? Shame explores various themes, from addiction to dysfunctional familial relationships to worker-boss tensions to suicide and beyond. Do you mean tone? The film entertains hope, despair, fury, melancholy, hope, and even fucking whimsy. “How dare I compare the film to jazz?” Christ, don’t be so dramatic. And what more do you need to know about Brandon and his sister. And you already do have enough to form a “hypothesis,” which you so freely did in your review when you suggested the siblings might have been incestuous. I happen to believe they simply might have been sexually abused. Critics are hypothesizing away, and I don’t see how that’s a terrible thing. And he can’t show up late whenever he wants. He gets slapped on the wrist for it by his boss in a way that seems polite but is clearly strained and impatient. His world is unravelling during the course of the film and it is beginning to affect his career.
You say that the ending isn’t a descent…
No I didn’t. The ending is definitely a descent. I said Brandon’s visit to a gay night club isn’t a “low point.”
…and that McQueen doesn’t moralize, never dares to judge his characters. That might be true to a certain extent, but that makes the entire film even more superfluous. If people are reading the movie as Brandon’s decent and the cost of that decent (Sissy’s suicide attempt) than it’s probably because without reading it that way there’s even less to think about and analyze. And I feel like the blood-soaked ending, complete with Fassbender’s anguished, muted howling is the precise definition of moralizing. How can it be read otherwise? You’re telling me that the fake-out train suicide isn’t supposed to extract guilt from Brnadon, punish him for his sins? Then why does he run like hell to his apartment, only to find Sissy bleeding to death?
Because she tried to kill herself. Why does it have to be more complicated than that?Brandon encountered the logical consequences of his addiction and his unwillingness to open himself to his troubled sister, but that doesn’t mean the ending is moralizing. It just means the ending is logical. Brandon isn’t “paying for his sins,” because saying he has “sins” to begin with is already putting yourself in a moralizing position. I don’t see how it makes sense to assume McQueen wrote that scene to ‘punish’ Brandon for his sins. It’s not a film about what Brandon should or shouldn’t be doing; it’s a film about the choices Brandon has. I think one key difference here is that your argument about McQueen’s moralizing assumes Brandon chose to become an addict, and I don’t think he did. This is not about a man who chose a destructive lifestyle and pays for it. This is about a sick man trying to overcome an illness that is killing him and the people around him. And in that sense Sissy’s suicide attempt is a provocation to Brandon to face that illness, not a moral punishment.
And the ending really isn’t all that ambiguous. McQueen playfully sets up his dominoes to fall all over again with the final sequence, and the tree-ring like cut-marks on Sissy’s arm suggest that the ending isn’t really all that ambiguous at all. Brandon is going to keep doing what he does, and so is Sissy.
Well that’s one interpretation, but many people I know who’ve seen the film don’t think that Brandon takes the bait at the end. And again, the fact that Sissy used to cut herself doesn’t necessarily mean she’ll try to kill herself again, especially if Brandon begins to open up.
But so what? Tell me why that’s a compelling film? We know they’ll keep behaving the exact same way, we just can’t, for some unknown reason, begin to know why.
Again, you’re assuming your interpretation of the ending is correct when there are actually various valid opinions. As to why precisely the film is compelling, I don’t pretend to know the complete answer, and that’s the difference here between our arguments—I don’t pretend to know. But what I do know is that I was compelled, and I feel I’ve outlined at least a few of the reasons in my review and here.
Explain to me why that’s risky? And tell me why it couldn’t have been done a thousand times better, or more compelling, or at least more visually interesting? I just don’t get it.
That’s clear. Again, I can’t explain it all to you, because I don’t know. And anyone who claims they can explain it all is probably full of it. Of course the film could have been done better! Even the greatest masterpieces have imperfections.
I expected more from McQueen and I’m upset not because of the subject matter but because of the empty shell of a movie I sat through today from film makers that I know can do better. I’m glad the movie worked for you, but please don’t assume that anyone with a problem with it is an ignorant fool with a stick up their ass when it comes to sex. That’s as lazy of an argument as Shame is a film.
Right, I never said you or other critics didn’t like the film because of the explicit sex. That’s not at all what I meant when I said critics closed their eyes to the film and its risks. The “uncomfortable subject matter” critics closed their eyes to is addiction and Brandon’s struggle to feel, not sex. And that was part of my whole point in the review. Many of the critics who decried the film seemed to be saying the film was all about sex, when sex is really secondary to Brandon’s compulsion and emotional avoidance. What happened was that you read something into my review because that’s what occurred to you first and you followed that bias with such self-perpetuating confidence that it led you to make a hasty value judgment and misread most of my review. And that’s what I’m saying happened to most critics with Shame. I never said anything about “everyone” who disliked the film being a fool so, again, stop taking this into dramatic overdrive. I don’t think you’re an ignorant fool and never said so; I just think you’re arrogant and a bit irresponsible to assume that your empty experience of the film gives you the right to condemn the film and the filmmakers personally as frauds when maybe the truth is the film just wasn’t meaningful to you.